Donte Greene and the conundrum of the 17th overall pick

How do you tell a kid who just watched two teammates tear their ACLs not to go pro?

For those who don’t know, it’s official. Donte’s outtie.

I have sympathy for Donte Greene, and although I believe he’s making the wrong choice, it’s not extremely wrong. I have a standard operating procedure when it comes to underclassmen (and, formerly, high school players) declaring early for the NBA draft: if you’re definitely a lottery pick, I will not judge you negatively for your decision. Granted, there’s a difference between the #3 pick and #16, but still, if you can get into that upper echelon, you have to jump at your chance. You’ll be an instant millionaire, have a guaranteed 3-year deal, a locked-in roster spot, and a coaching staff and management that’s determined to give you as many chances as possible to develop and contribute. If you’re a top ten pick, you also have guaranteed playing time. No one could reasonably be expected to turn that down. The point of college is to prepare young people to excel in their professional life, and if you’re lottery-worthy, that means you are prepared. College has little more to offer you, and the risk of injury is too great just for the chance at amateur glory or some minimal improvement in your draft stock. I admire kids who choose to stay to help their team pursue a championship or get their degree, but I would never demand it.

Concurrently, the right choice is an absolute no-brainer if you are projected to go in the 2nd round of the draft, or below. Barring a catastrophic family financial situation, there is no reason to turn pro if there’s the slightest risk of dropping to round two. You don’t get the guaranteed money, you have only the slimmest shot at a roster spot, and you’re giving up years of potential seasoning in the college ranks. You’ll end up in Europe, at best, or on some developmental bench somewhere, instead of receiving a free education and constant attention from a devoted coaching staff. If you’re a 2nd round talent, or a European talent, you can wait a year or two to get there. The money is not that huge, and it’s worth staying for the chance to improve your skills and make a better run at the NBA.

Then, lastly, there’s The Donte Greene Zone.

The murky middle ground where life is not so black and white. The bubble, if you will. Those players projected to go in the latter half of the 1st round. (I know some people are projecting Donte possibly as high as 15, but we all know he’s a lock for that 17-32 range.) These kids have a real conundrum on their hands, and I can’t honestly say what the best move is for them. There’s big money on the table, but not huge money. There’s a decent shot at playing time and a solid career, but it’s a tough road, and you have to beat the odds. I ask myself: what would I do? And I’m not sure of the answer. It’s a lot to ask a kid to sacrifice a million bucks just for a minuscule shot at a national title. On the other hand, you have to take each case separately: Donte is the type of player with enough 1-year upside that he could get a significantly better contract if he stayed in Syracuse another year. The $$ math might actually favor him over the life of the contract–even subtracting the money he could make in 2008–if he shows considerable improvement on the court and then leaves in 2009. This is an issue for agents and accountants to figure out; unfortunately Donte probably has access to neither.

Donte is probably not a late-20’s type of pick; if he were I’d say he’s way off base with this decision. Instead, he’s probably in the upper echelon of the non-lottery. That’s encouraging for him because it allows the possibility of earning his way into the lotto with a few excellent workouts. It also shrinks the amount of good he could do himself by staying. Lastly, and this is specific to Syracuse, how can you ask a unique talent like Donte Greene to risk so much potential future earnings when he just witnessed the devastating ramifications of serious knee injuries to two of his own teammates? ACL tears, or other catastrophic breakdowns, are abstract notions to a lot of players on a lot of teams, but not to anyone around SU. Eric Devendorf once had an outside shot at the NBA, but that’s probably gone now. Why would Donte Greene risk a lifetime of future paychecks, his only marketable talent, and the only road to riches he will ever have, just for another 30 games in a Syracuse uniform? If the NBA will take him now, I can see why he’d go.

8 Comments

  1. Posted April 9, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Nice use of the “torn ACLs” tag!

  2. Michael
    Posted April 9, 2008 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    I was reading some stuff on ESPN.com last night that said he was projected to go No. 7 if he waited one year.

    M

  3. Posted April 10, 2008 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    Just like you I can’t fault him for his decision. As a fan I would have liked him to come back because the team would have been stacked next season, as opposed to just solid. Anyone who says their chances won’t be affected too much by this doesn’t realize how much smaller we’re about to get. And anyone who thinks they are better off without him is just plain bonkers.

  4. Posted April 10, 2008 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    yeah, it’s tough to fault him, but the facts are the facts… This is a loaded draft class and by all accounts next year’s freshmen class isn’t as loaded. With a modicum of improvement, he would be a lottery LOCK… Giving up one year of $500K+ would be made up with a guarnateed $1.5M-2M contract for a Top-8 pick.

    You can’t fault him but you can question his logic.

  5. Sam
    Posted April 10, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Really looking forward to filling out another NIT bracket next year …

  6. JohnJJHS
    Posted April 11, 2008 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    Josh, how much worse could they get without Donte? They finished 9th in the Big East for crying out loud. Whether Donte stays or Donte goes, Syracuse will be much improved next season. My gut feeling is that Donte is going to hear from NBA scouts that he does not have a snowballs chance in hell of cashing in on the lottery, and he will come back for another season.

  7. JohnJJHS
    Posted April 11, 2008 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    By the way, if he chooses to leave after one year to be a 15-25 pick in the NBA draft, I think the only appropriate reaction is “good riddance”. It would imply to me that he never did and never will care about winning at Syracuse. If a guy with the ego of a Donte Greene cannot look around at the talent on this Syracuse team, and think to himself “boy I could take this team straight to the top”, then you do not want him on your team anymore, plain and simple.

  8. Posted April 11, 2008 at 1:50 am | Permalink

    The way I see it, the second forward spot in the lineup next year will alternate between a tall guy with limited offensive skills (Jackson or KOng) and a shorter guy with a jump shot but who can’t grab a rebound (Rautins or freshmen). A zone defense with 6′4″ Harris on one wing and 6′5″ Rautins on the other will give up tons of offensive rebounds, and three-pointers from the corners. If you replace Rautins in this equation with (say) Ongenaet, the opposing PF will simply sag off KO and clog the lane, doubling on Arinze and/or cutting off penetration by the guards and Harris.

    Funny, but as I write this I’m starting to think the most balanced lineup they can put out there is Flynn/Devo/Rautins/KOng/Onuaku. That is, no Paul Harris. Greene was a great complement for Harris, being a guy who was essentially an outside shooter on offense but a big man on defense — the exact opposite of Harris, who plays his best offense close to the basket and is a better defender at the top of the zone than on the wing. It’s going to take some nifty coaching and talent evaluation by Coach JB to figure out how to best arrange the pieces he will have at his disposal, and whether he goes with a more offense-minded or defense-minded philosophy.

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